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2 years 9 months ago - 2 years 9 months ago #55469 by divisionByZero
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E-cigs may be less harmful than snus but ONLY if you can take into account the flavoring.

Your juice made in China? You have no debate. This only concerns actual quality juices, produced with no anti-freeze components, no formaldehyde, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

If you can find a quality source that you trust, that is producing FDA standard juices, with organic essential oil extraction of flavors, you will have found a truly, 100% risk free source of nicotine, aside from the risks of nicotine itself, which is minimal.

So far, only halo seems to qualify, and only on certain e-liquids. The profit margin for these is already low, so not much has to be suspected. IF true, nicotine inhalation, with a propylene glycol base, sans cheap contaminants, seems to be the most economical and diverse.


It always comes down to that, though, doesn't it?
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2 years 9 months ago #55478 by LarryWaters
LarryWaters replied the topic: E-cigs possibly more economical
I do vape on occasion, more as an experiment than anything else. I prefer the 60%/40% ratio on glycerine and propylene glycol. A higher level of propylene glycol hurts my chest.

Vaping is still to much of a wild west right now. There are no real FDA standards on flavoring or manufacturing process right now, for which FDA is taking a lot of hits on Capitol Hill and in the media for.

Extraction juice does give you back the tobacco alkaloids you lose with non-extract juices but do add a additional health risks; probably only minor.

The problem with ejuice manufactures is that you have no idea as to the quality control. Anyone can buy liquid nicotine, flavorings, and make e-juice in a dusty corner of their basement.

Others use laboratory ISO product methods which is ideal. The problem is no one knows who makes what how.

One vape juice manufacturer referred to the industry in a race to the bottom....make as much money as you you can before FDA and state/local governments come crashing down to regulate the industry.

Personally, I don't get anything out of e-cigs and very little out of the cheaper mods. I'm going to try a high-end box mod as I've heard good things....so long as you are not stupid enough to chase clouds in a subway, train, or other close public environment.

All that does is give ammunition to the anti-vape people and turns public opinion against vaping.

Even Bonnie Herzog of Wells Fargo who has been very bullish on Vapor has changed her rating of the near term to neutral but still believes the long term future will work out.

One thing we do know (China and contaminated e-juice aside)is that vaping logically has to be less harmful then smoking. Twenty years from now we may be saying "ooops".

So if you like vaping, vape when (and where) you can, snus where you can't. This is a growing movement among vapor pros.

Larry Waters
Swedish Snus Ambassador to the United States

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2 years 9 months ago #55488 by bigmick
bigmick replied the topic: E-cigs possibly more economical
There is no such thing as FDA standard e-juice. FDA has no recommended standards for e-juice. They are still debating if they have regulatory authority for e-cigs.

I use only US made juice and then only from sellers I trust.

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2 years 9 months ago #55492 by Fraz702
Fraz702 replied the topic: E-cigs possibly more economical
Now that I'm just over 2 1/2 years smoke free and breathing well and even through my nose, the idea of smoking or inhaling anything other than air is repugnant to me....I have no desire to take on any new habits....with the exception of new snuses, of course.
(To be honest, I did smoke once and very briefly in Seattle last year ;) )

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1 year 4 months ago #56225 by HardenJ
HardenJ replied the topic: E-cigs possibly more economical
The ecig juice is very important, get the right one, in USA.

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