lmao dang rick. I'm glad i am not having those issues. Hell last night i was watching a movie and about 40 after putting in a General Extra Sterk fell asleep in my chair lol. woke up 2 hours later with it still in my lip lmao.

LOL Rick you are something else!!! Easy disposal piss containers hahahaha

I've gotten to the point that I will remove a portion in my sleep. Then I wake up and try to convince myself it's still there. I panic for a moment then check the ashtray (Wife still smokes).

Unfortunately, I have also arrived at the stage where my lip feels funny if I don't have a portion in.

I usually start a portion off towards the front of my lip because it's strongest then and doesn't juice as much up front. Then after I've had it in for a few minutes, I move it to the back so that it's not so noticeable, but i poke on it, flip it, roll it, gnaw on it (sometimes till they bust open), and suck on them until they have NO flavor at all. What can I say...I'm a fiend (i before e, except after c..screw it)for the snus.

I am trying to understand how much vitamin N you actually get too! I have read some stuff out there that says you recieve 50% of what it says for the product. For example, General White has eight miligrams of the vitamin; you would recieve 4 mg of nicotine. I have been using this as kind of a rule of thumb not to use more then I was smoking. I use about 8, 8mg portions per day. Does any one out there have any more information on this subject???

T-Bird, I've read several differnt things about nicotine uptake and the timeframe in which the uptake happens. It seems that we get around 40-50% of what the snus portion has in it, and the timeframe is between 10min-1hr.

I too used the amount of nicotine that is in a cigarette and multiplied that by the number of smokes I normally had in a day, and started there. I did find out that working in a few stark portions through the day helped keep the cravings at bay.

Thanks for the quick reply. In following my own rule of staying around 8, 8mg portions a day kept me close to my pack a day habbit. I still feel sometimes like I am chasing the dragon. How often do you use stark portions?

Honestly that depends on the day and how stressed I am with employees, family, bills, life..lol

Normally about 4 a day, General ES 15mg/portion, which means I'm gettin at most 7-8mgs/portion in an hour. that's about 7 smokes in an hour, I used to do that easily when stressed. lol

Even with the sterks worked in in only adds about 12-13mgs/day of vitamin N. Not that much more than normal, and it chills me out!

I will have to work a couple in and see how it treats me. I do use the onyx in the morn. I was using the 8, 8mg a day as an example. I will have to try one of those stronger ones and see. Thank you for the quick response.

No sweat T-Bird I'm just hanging out tonight. I was going to ask you if using just the 8mgs during the day killed your cigarette cravings?

the way I rationalize using more nicotine during the day is as follows. I want to quit smoking, because smoking is killing me, literally. So if ingesting a dozen or so more milligrams of nicotine (which isn't killing me)a day will keep me from smoking, then I'm doing it. That's just me though...

The research I've seen says we get about 30% of the nicotine available, I think that is mainly because only about 30% of the portion/pris makes contact with our gum/lip.
I use a super sterk first thing in the morning to replace the 4-5 cigs I would smoke the first hour. After that I use one or two regular sterks throughout the day when I feel the need for a bigger hit.

For the most part using the 8mg portions durning the day do kill the craving for a cig. There are some points through out the day where I wish I could still smoke. I feel the same way you do. I know that if I smoke or keep smoking it will kill me so, I just push the thought of smoking out of my head with the idea smoking will kill me.
Do you ever feel like you over do the nicotine when you use the stark portions? I have noticed that if I use to many onyx through out the day that I get light headed and do not feel so well. I imagine this is a small overdose of nicotine. Does anyone else notice this?

I am really loving not smoking. I can actually play ice hockey again and still feel like I am breathing. Nice to have gotten rid of the smoke habbit.

I have noticed that if I use to many onyx through out the day that I get light headed and do not feel so well. I imagine this is a small overdose of nicotine. Does anyone else notice this?
I have, it happens with the stronger snus.

Chainsnusing sterks is not the smartest thing to do..

bigmick wrote:
The research I've seen says we get about 30% of the nicotine available, I think that is mainly because only about 30% of the portion/pris makes contact with our gum/lip.
I use a super sterk first thing in the morning to replace the 4-5 cigs I would smoke the first hour. After that I use one or two regular sterks throughout the day when I feel the need for a bigger hit.

According to Swedish Match


# Only 10-20 % of the nicotine present in a pinch of snus is absorbed via the mucous membrane and reaches the systemic circulation. This means that only 1-2 mg of nicotine is absorbed into the blood from a one gram pinch containing ca 10 mg of nicotine.
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They found that almost half of the nicotine present in the pinch was extracted during snus use (37 % from portion-packed snus and 49 % from loose snus). By comparison of the total amount of excreted nicotine with the total amount of nicotine in the pinch per time unit, it has been concluded that only 10-20 % of the nicotine originally present in the pinch is absorbed via the buccal mucosa and reaches the systemic circulation (Andersson et al., 1994; Andersson et al., 1995).
One regular portion equals 1 regular Marlboro cigarette, but snus distributes vitamin N much much slower..

I've been using snus for one week today. The same day I started was the last day I used American snuff (dip). I have snus in my mouth from 7am until midnight every day. I only take it out for lunch and dinner. I use los almost exclusively skruf es, gotlandsnus gray, roda lacket, odens and goteborg rape are my usuals. I've never had any difficulty sleeping nor any unusual dreams. I think the problems sleeping some of you are having is in the time release nicotine of snus when you are used to the instant delivery of cigarettes. I've never smoked but have dipped for 30+ years so I'm used to the time release delivery.... Well, that's my hypothesis. Anyone have any comments?